Friday, February 22, 2013

The World's a Big Place


"The world's a big place. It's okay to have different opinions about it. It's not okay to form a closed-minded, fixed opinion about it."

-- c emerson said that.

Feel free to challenge it.


llb said...

atta boy - an' when you're done i'll hold a place for you down by the river

Paige said...

The world's a big place. It's okay to have different opinions about it. It's even okay to form a closed-minded, fixed opinion about it.

Although that isn't what works for me.

c emerson said...

Ty for your comment. In what way might a closed-minded and fixed opinion about something be acceptable? In the sense that we would be accepting of the person holding such an opinion ... or something else?

... and btw, don't keep the sand too long between your toes. Cheers.

c emerson said...

... hang on to the Edsel, I might need it.

Alan said...

You ask: ‘I wonder, if all humans saw everything in just grey and white shades, or perhaps better, in just shades of green and black …’

Do you hate mankind and wish us all punished?

Look more Coded? I think it would make it harder to find food or to avoid predators! We would probably have better smell and hearing.

I think all brains have evolved to recognize and remember patterns as that was the most effective use of neurons. Shapes are also less affected by distance, and to a degree, partial exposure.

c emerson said...

@Alan, Ty for finding me here (new blog). Ha ... perhaps dual shading would make ordinary life a bit harder ... but human color perception may disguise the information content your post was referring to ... whereas streams of 1s and 0s would suggest the 'coding' underlying nature. Electronic signaling, for example, has no 'color' - same, ostensibly, for neural nets. Yes, signaling definitely suggests pattern recognition for neural responses (and analysis).

c emerson said...

... insert "comparative" in front of "analysis"

Alan said...

Your blog title is so apropos!

I was thinking (with my original post) more along the lines of the patterns of structure. On a beach or in a box, sand is like so much noise. But if you process that sand into glass or fiberglass you can build or create all manner of things. Because in linking the silica molecules you get structure from former loose grains. A universe full of bosons and fermions would be like a giant sand box save for the ‘structure’ of quantum mechanics. And, it turns out, that structure can be modeled by the same mathematics that turn a sine wave into a phone call! As if ‘The Word of God’ turns a gazillion dots of stuff into the structure of the universe. Noise and random impacts an idea and takes shape.

c emerson said...

Ty, as to the blog title.
Logos: can mean word, reason, explanation, as well as a divine creating force. Presocratic sources here such as Heraclitus. A bit premature for me, of course, but very interesting.

What's needed is the physical (as well as metaphysical, if any) organizing principle(s). That is, as you suggest, the process that turns sand into glass.

And, as you can tell, I like sand.

Alan said...

I did not want another lemon war on Feser’s lawn, so when I saw the title of your blog it was clear where this discourse belonged. A colleague of mine knows J. W. Lee and was peer-reviewing the original draft before submission. He shared it with me and my pattern-recognizing neurons jumped straight to that three thousand year old wisdom that word, reason and divine creating forces were intertwined. Science confirming philosophy.

To discern organizing principals was perhaps my (just previously) unrecognized goal – I saw this as premature for science and am attempting to throw it back to philosophy to get a start.

TxLostWolf said...

Meteor impact or volcanic eruption both provide sufficient heat to turn sand to glass so externalities are involved in that process. Certain crystaline structures are self-organized and could be said to be self-creating in a sense.

I think to prove the devine will take more. I am not trying in any way to be flippant here. I think we are trying to define what , in meditation, is sometimes called the space between thoughts. This precursor might be likened to the prime mover.

Btw I agree "thoughts are physical" as proof they effect the physical world.

Ty for your time.


Alan said...

Apologize not sir Tx. It was I being flippant and deliberately provocative intoning proof where only correlation was demonstrated. The paper I was referring to is:

Jae-Weon Lee ‘Physics from information’

From the Abstract: ‘… one can find that basic physical laws such as Newton’s second law and Einstein’s equation simply describe the energy-information relation (dE=TdS) for matter or space time crossing causal horizons.’

From the Introduction: ‘In this paper, based on these works, it is suggested that major physics such as quantum mechanics, Einstein gravity and Newton’s mechanics are simply describing information processing at causal horizons.’

In short, ‘information’ appears coded into matter to build such things as electrons and protons (defined in quantum mechanics) and continues through solar systems (General Relativity). Crystals lie between – with their own structures.

c emerson said...

I have moved several of the preceding comments to my next OP post, "Is the Whole World Just a Code?" (in the hopes that more comments in the near future and over time will be added to that topic, which was inspired,if you will, by Alan's first comments. If you wish to comment on the 'world as a code', please comment under my next OP post. And thanks, Alan, and TxLostWolf!

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